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The display reads 0 and will not change when riding.
Background on bike: this bike is a 2013 model that has 2018 parts on it as well (my mates doing). Got it for cheap so went for it.

It has the 2018 display and what I have only now discovered is the 2018 abs sensor at the front but none at the back as it has 2 different wheels (the front is the 2018 and rear is 2013) and that is probably the cause of it being stuck at 0.
Where do I go from now? Can I just change out the sprocket on the wheel and add the sensor on?
Appreciate any help or knowledge.
 

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wait so this is a 2013 bike with 2018 instruments and (presumably some) wiring? that's interesting.Does the display work otherwise e.g. rpm, fuel, miles etc?

It might be an idea to take some pics of the various bits, especially the non-2013 bits so we can see what's gone on...

so: Front wheel showing brake disk, caliper, forks etc, rear wheeel showing disk, caliper etc. maybe some pics of the dash etc.

> Where do I go from now? Can I just change out the sprocket on the wheel and add the sensor on?
Appreciate any help or knowledge

i suspect that will depend on pics...
 

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wow that sounds like an "interesting" setup..

gen2 rear wheel bolts right onto the gen1 setup (can't vouch for gen3), you just need the right caliper carrier with the extra bit for the abs sensor if you want to use that, otherwise it fits fine on the gen1 carrier. The disk etc lines up correctly with the cailiper. The sprocket should transfer but the disk has 6 holes on gen2 vs 5 for gen1 so doesn't transfer. Obvs you'd need the abs ring too from a gen2

You will also need a set of axle spacers from a gen2 tho since there's no cush drive on the gen2 rear so the left-hand axle spacer is different from gen1 but the axle itself is interchangable. I fitted a gen2 rear wheel to a gen1 bike for someone a while back so have been thru this process. I never rode it so have no idea how it compares without the cush drive but apparently the guy is still alive so I guess it works.

Did the speed display ever work in the time you've had it? if it did that would be good, if not, less so.

I initially thought that gen2+ calculated the speed from the ABS sensors (makes sense, why wouldn't you?), but was recently told it measures the speed from the engine itself (crank position sensor perhaps?) I don't have a gen2 so can't confirm or refute this, I just mention it since it may not work as you expect (e.g. you could go to the effort of fitting a gen2 rear wheel and ithe speedo may still not work).

As far as I'm aware the gen2 would need to be aware of what gear it's in in order to calculate speed from the engine alone (rpm * gear), and Idk if the gen 2 has a gear indicator by default - perhaps someoe who has a gen2 can let us know.

If you want to test whether a second abs sensor gives you a speed reading, you can wire in the second sensor and then just mount it temporarily on the front wheel (abs ring) so you get a signal from each sensor but off the same abs ring. Should be much less work than sourcing and fitting a gen2 rear wheel just to test a theory.

IF the speed on gen2 is calculated from inside the engine, e.g. from a sensor/cable the gen1 engine doesn't have then I'm afraid you'll be SOL on the speedo. The bike where I did the gen2 wheel swap we were doing gen2 wheels on a gen1 bike, but retaining the gen1 instruments, which are quite straightforward to get a speed reading from (compared to gen2), but even that required a fairly custom setup as the two systems seem extremely incompatible.

Even though gen1 uses a hall sensor on the speed sensor bit on the front wheel, that's a voltage-switching hall sensor (3 wires, voltage goes 0v-5v-0v). The abs sensors on the gen2 are also hall sensors but are of the 2-wire current switching type..so voltage stays stable, but current varies instead. So even on that level they're fundamentally incompatible with each other so you can't just swap them over and expect readings :-\

Idk how your buddy has wired up this 2018 display but presumably somewhere they will be a speed sensor input. The easiest might be to see if you can find a gen2 bike whose wires you can follow/copy and figure it out, as there doesn't appear to be a service manual for the gen2 like there is for the gen1, which makes everything more difficult. Otherwise you're down to fiding that speed sensor input and sending it different types of pulses (e.g. voltage switching, current switching) and see if you can get a response from it.

Hope that helps... quite a technical challenge you've got there..
 

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wow that sounds like an "interesting" setup..

gen2 rear wheel bolts right onto the gen1 setup (can't vouch for gen3), you just need the right caliper carrier with the extra bit for the abs sensor if you want to use that, otherwise it fits fine on the gen1 carrier. The disk etc lines up correctly with the cailiper. The sprocket should transfer but the disk has 6 holes on gen2 vs 5 for gen1 so doesn't transfer. Obvs you'd need the abs ring too from a gen2

You will also need a set of axle spacers from a gen2 tho since there's no cush drive on the gen2 rear so the left-hand axle spacer is different from gen1 but the axle itself is interchangable. I fitted a gen2 rear wheel to a gen1 bike for someone a while back so have been thru this process. I never rode it so have no idea how it compares without the cush drive but apparently the guy is still alive so I guess it works.

Did the speed display ever work in the time you've had it? if it did that would be good, if not, less so.

I initially thought that gen2+ calculated the speed from the ABS sensors (makes sense, why wouldn't you?), but was recently told it measures the speed from the engine itself (crank position sensor perhaps?) I don't have a gen2 so can't confirm or refute this, I just mention it since it may not work as you expect (e.g. you could go to the effort of fitting a gen2 rear wheel and ithe speedo may still not work).

As far as I'm aware the gen2 would need to be aware of what gear it's in in order to calculate speed from the engine alone (rpm * gear), and Idk if the gen 2 has a gear indicator by default - perhaps someoe who has a gen2 can let us know.

If you want to test whether a second abs sensor gives you a speed reading, you can wire in the second sensor and then just mount it temporarily on the front wheel (abs ring) so you get a signal from each sensor but off the same abs ring. Should be much less work than sourcing and fitting a gen2 rear wheel just to test a theory.

IF the speed on gen2 is calculated from inside the engine, e.g. from a sensor/cable the gen1 engine doesn't have then I'm afraid you'll be SOL on the speedo. The bike where I did the gen2 wheel swap we were doing gen2 wheels on a gen1 bike, but retaining the gen1 instruments, which are quite straightforward to get a speed reading from (compared to gen2), but even that required a fairly custom setup as the two systems seem extremely incompatible.

Even though gen1 uses a hall sensor on the speed sensor bit on the front wheel, that's a voltage-switching hall sensor (3 wires, voltage goes 0v-5v-0v). The abs sensors on the gen2 are also hall sensors but are of the 2-wire current switching type..so voltage stays stable, but current varies instead. So even on that level they're fundamentally incompatible with each other so you can't just swap them over and expect readings :-\

Idk how your buddy has wired up this 2018 display but presumably somewhere they will be a speed sensor input. The easiest might be to see if you can find a gen2 bike whose wires you can follow/copy and figure it out, as there doesn't appear to be a service manual for the gen2 like there is for the gen1, which makes everything more difficult. Otherwise you're down to fiding that speed sensor input and sending it different types of pulses (e.g. voltage switching, current switching) and see if you can get a response from it.

Hope that helps... quite a technical challenge you've got there..
Thanks for the reply, I have seen bits of information spread everywhere saying pretty much what you have said but nothing saying specifically whether it's just the sensor on the wheels and not hooked up to a sensor in the engine itself. Knowing my mate there is a high chance he has wired up the display with the sensor weirdly. I have a mate who currently still has a gen2 so I'll use his bike as reference as you said. Haven't had time for the bike recently and the bolts for like the calliper and exhaust are seized, making this even more difficult.
If not I might just have to get the old display thrown back on during mot and change back to the other one after 😅
 

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well as long as matey hasn't butchered the connector swapping back to a gen1 speedo should be quite an easy option but if it's got a 2018 front wheel/forks on then that won't have the space to fit the gen1 speed sensor.

i'd say it would be fairly doable to get a working reading on a gen1 speedo from a 2018 front wheel since you can just use a hall sensor and 6 small disc magnets like are used for aftermarket speedos. You could fit them either on the brake disk or maybe the abs ring and would need to attach the hall sensor somehow so there would likely be some making of a bracket involved from some alu strip off ebay for example. Annoyingly the gen2 hall sensors are slimmer than the aftermarket ones so you'd either have to drill out the hole a little to use the existing abs mount (not a fan of drilling into forks) or mount it some other way.

This is an oscilloscope output from a gen1 speed sensor (one revolution of the wheel) so this is what you're aiming to recreate for a gen1 speedo:
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Appreciate all the responses. As I've had no time for the bike due to uni its just been left sitting. Update: I ended up sourcing a gen2 tyre with the abs sensor and getting the rear sensor and the bracket for it. All seized bolts have been removed and I have put on a new exhaust on it. Battery is dead as i disconnected it but I think it was still touching the terminals. Will be testing it shortly. My thinking is, the gen2 parts are harness, front and back sensors, ecu and display so should all connect. (The only real gen1 parts left is the frame and engine i believe) However if it is as you say and takes the speed reading from the engine/crank position. It will stick on 0. Or the display may be faulty (worst case scenario 😭)
 
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